Fw: Re: From Stan. - Tagora
From: Jürgen Roterberg (bagheera@freenet.de)
Date: Thu 14 Nov 2002 - 23:48:39 EST
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From: "Jürgen Roterberg" <bagheera@freenet.de>
To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:32 AM
Subject: Fw: Re: From Stan. - Tagora
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jürgen Roterberg" <bagheera@freenet.de>
> To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: From Stan. - Tagora
>
>
> > Hello Mike !
> >
> > Matra is a tragedy on its own - at least all we Simca-, Talbot- and
> > Matra-drivers can say a big "thank you" to Chrysler to suck out their
> > European organisation to survive theirselves. The surrending of Simca is
a
> > trend beginning with Chrysler´s appear on the European market. A lot of
> > Simca-dealers were very engaged and made Simca to the greatest
> car-producer
> > in Europe in the 70´s ! The "gift" of Chrysler was to lower the quality,
> > nobody over here had a pardon for a Chrysler Horizon ( Dodge Omnia )
> beeing
> > rusty after 2-3 years, nobody accepted several waits at the garage
because
> > some dealers were not able to find simple vacuum-probs at the Bagheera.
> They
> > never understood the way that VW made successful - to sale the same
> technic
> > under different names but also at different dealers ! Every dealer who
> sold
> > "enough" cars automaticly got a Matra-dealer and often these dealer had
> not
> > the experience in repairing the car.
> > Although the first owners of a Bagheera or Murena were mostly guys with
a
> > good monthly income the cars went in hands of pseudo-mechanics that made
> the
> > car worse but not running. Especially at the Murena, know guys who spent
> > thousands of bucks every year on their cars - but they never stopped the
> > problems !
> >
> > It´ll be a long discussion about the reasons why french sports-cars have
> > sometimes a bad reputy or no greater lobby but at least all producers
> today
> > have the problem to posite their Coupes on the market. Renember the VW
> > Corrado ( they hauled back a lot of US-versions and sold them for
peanuts
> > over here in Germany ), think about the Vauxhaul/Opel Calibra or the
Tigra
> > ( both were flops over here ), what´s with the 406 Coupe ( from all
sides
> > called the nicest Coupe ever build now - and Peugeot considers to end
the
> > producition cause of tough sale ). Times seem to be gone for cars like a
> > Matra Murena containing a today uncalculatable financial risk.
> >
> > At least - we all have to ask US how we imagine a sports-car of today.
Is
> it
> > really the High-Tech-car with navigation-system, servo-steering, ABS and
> > much more of this nonsens like they try to make us believe ? My
1,6-Murena
> > steals every Porsche or Ferrari its show - although I´m just not able to
> > gear from the steering-wheel :-)
> >
> > Jürgen / www.simcat.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "coupe404" <tippett@pacificcoast.net>
> > To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:51 AM
> > Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: From Stan. - Tagora
> >
> >
> > --- In peugeot-L@y..., Jürgen Roterberg <bagheera@f...> wrote:
> > > Although there is no ability for a direct compare between a De
> > Lorean, a
> > > Renault A310 and a Tagora SX - in case of needing an engine I would
> > prefer
> > > one of the first named models but not a Tagora SX.
> >
> >
> > I'm with you 100%, Jürgen!
> >
> > Who would ever have thought that there could be such a thing as
> > Talbot-Tagora snobbery! I think the 170 HP Tagora V6 engine would be
> > a lot better in any number of other cars.
> >
> > The only problem is, that about 6 of these Tagora SX cars were sold
> > new ;-), so they're a little rare these days. Just as well, eh ;-)
> >
> > The sad thing is that the Talbot-Matra Murena was an interesting car
> > and a good successor to the Bagheera, but it was not developed
> > sufficiently and then Peugeot killed it off. I think there is
> > basically no such thing as a French sportscar any more. That is
> > pretty sad.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mike Tippett
> > 404 Coupé Injection
> > M-B C 230 K
> > 405
> >
> >
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