Fw: Re: From Stan. - Tagora
From: Jürgen Roterberg (bagheera@freenet.de)
Date: Tue 19 Nov 2002 - 12:34:19 EST
Hello Mike !
Matra is a tragedy on its own - at least all we Simca-, Talbot- and
Matra-drivers can say a big "thank you" to Chrysler to suck out their
European organisation to survive theirselves. The surrending of Simca is a
trend beginning with Chrysler´s appear on the European market. A lot of
Simca-dealers were very engaged and made Simca to the greatest car-producer
in Europe in the 70´s ! The "gift" of Chrysler was to lower the quality,
nobody over here had a pardon for a Chrysler Horizon ( Dodge Omnia ) beeing
rusty after 2-3 years, nobody accepted several waits at the garage because
some dealers were not able to find simple vacuum-probs at the Bagheera. They
never understood the way that VW made successful - to sale the same technic
under different names but also at different dealers ! Every dealer who sold
"enough" cars automaticly got a Matra-dealer and often these dealer had not
the experience in repairing the car. Although the first owners of a Bagheera
or Murena were mostly guys with a good monthly income the cars went in hands
of pseudo-mechanics that made the car worse but not running. Especially at
the Murena, know guys who spent thousands of bucks every year on their
cars - but they never stopped the problems ! It´ll be a long discussion
about the reasons why french sports-cars have sometimes a bad reputy or no
greater lobby but at least all producers today have the problem to posite
their Coupes on the market. Renember the> VW Corrado ( they hauled back a
lot of US-versions and sold them for peanuts over here in Germany ), think
about the Vauxhaul/Opel Calibra or the Tigra ( both were flops over here ),
what´s with the 406 Coupe ( from all sides called the nicest Coupe ever
build now - and Peugeot considers to end the producition cause of tough
sale ). Times seem to be gone for cars like a Matra Murena containing a
today uncalculatable financial risk. At least - we all have to ask US how we
imagine a sports-car of today. Is it really the High-Tech-car with
navigation-system, servo-steering, ABS and much more of this nonsens like
they try to make us believe ? My 1,6-Murena steals every Porsche or Ferrari
its show - although I´m just not able to gear from the steering-wheel :-)
Jürgen / www.simcat.net
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "coupe404" <tippett@pacificcoast.net>
> > > > > To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:51 AM
> > > > > Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: From Stan. - Tagora
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In peugeot-L@y..., Jürgen Roterberg <bagheera@f...> wrote:
> > > > > > Although there is no ability for a direct compare between a De
> > > > > Lorean, a
> > > > > > Renault A310 and a Tagora SX - in case of needing an engine I
> would
> > > > > prefer
> > > > > > one of the first named models but not a Tagora SX.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm with you 100%, Jürgen!
> > > > >
> > > > > Who would ever have thought that there could be such a thing as
> > > > > Talbot-Tagora snobbery! I think the 170 HP Tagora V6 engine would
> be
> > > > > a lot better in any number of other cars.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only problem is, that about 6 of these Tagora SX cars were
sold
> > > > > new ;-), so they're a little rare these days. Just as well, eh
;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > The sad thing is that the Talbot-Matra Murena was an interesting
car
> > > > > and a good successor to the Bagheera, but it was not developed
> > > > > sufficiently and then Peugeot killed it off. I think there is
> > > > > basically no such thing as a French sportscar any more. That is
> > > > > pretty sad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Mike Tippett
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> > > > > M-B C 230 K
> > > > > 405
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