Re: Re: RE PSU students in need of peugeot info-warning! semi-political ranting
From: Frank DeWitt (fdew@eznet.net)
Date: Wed 20 Nov 2002 - 23:03:10 EST
Thank you, Thank you Thank you. Very well written
We need LESS government. We have a great constitution that has served us
well. we need to go back to it, not further away.
Because of this list I will leave the issue of Bush and oil alone except to
recommend a goggle search of "Al gore Oil "
(The above sentence will bring an immediate request that we stop this
inapproiate thread.)
Frank DeWitt
At 09:47 PM 11/20/2002, Joseph Ashment wrote:
>I've been debating wether or not to respond. Oh, well.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
> > I remember the 60's..... Grew up outside of NYC..... On hot summer days it
> > would get so bad that the radio would announce high air pollution from
> > thermal inversion and recommend that we not go outside that evening.... I
> > guess it isn't that bad anymore, but it is still too much..... I was
> > recently in Toronto, otherwise known as "The Big Smoke", and found the air
> > there pretty thick....
> >
> > There are other elements to pollution as well..... Way too many highways
> > with Way too many cars....
>
>Who are you or who is our government to say how we can travel in our "free"
>country. We are free to drive a car, any car we choose. We are free to use
>public transportation, as crime ridden and cumbersom as it is. We are even
>free to ride our bicycles. No one has the right or should ever have the
>right to tell us we can't drive an SUV, or to throw away the "Gross
>Polluting" older vehicles like our Peugeots. We, the people should ask our
>auto manufactures to sell us some less polluting powerplants and fuel
>options, we should not have the government force people out of old cars
>(including Peugeots) and the "evil" SUV. On a side note, had the government
>not forced CAFE standards on auto makers, we would still have the big
>station wagon and the market niche for the SUV would not have been created.
>We had to get people out of the big polluting station wagon (the SUV
>arguement has been used before!)
>
> >
> > There is also the problem of becoming so "dependent" on foreign oil......
> > Here we are about to go into Iraq to force a "regime" change of someone we
> > helped install years ago because we were trying to get at Iran....
>
>Right! Our socialistic "representatives" decided for us, the Americans,
>that is would be benificial, for us, to install a little madman in Iraq. If
>we kept better control of our Republic and held politicians accountable to
>the Constitution, this would never had happened.
>
> >
> > The government here in the states should be a little more socialistic....
> > What it has done for us so far is mostly for big business.... Southern
> > California used to have a terrific Light Rail Transit system earlier in
>the
> > century..... Our government in collusion with Standard Oil and General
> > Motors eliminated the right of ways and now there is difficulty in finding
> > new ones.... Our government has heavily subsidized the airline industry
> > while at the same time saying that the rail system should make it on it's
> > own.... Nevermind that it takes 10 times as much fuel to move people and
> > freight that way....
> >
>
>No! No! Never allow more government. Especially a socialist one. Keep
>government small and local. This is what is written in Constitution, this
>is what our Founding Fathers tried to give us in the American Legacy. If we
>the people had participated in the government like the Founding Fathers
>thought we would, we would never have need or want for a bigger or even
>socialist government. We do we keep giving up our freedom in trade for more
>tax eating government programs? You want to fix the transportation and
>pollution problems? Do it the Free Market style, don't buy the vehicle that
>you think is harmful to the environment. Automakers will change their
>selection of models to accomadate our changing tastes. Does this explain
>the demise of Peugeot in America?
>
>
> > It is the semi-oligarchy of Rockefellers and Bushes that have really
>driven
> > what our government has done to a great extent.... We have had great open
> > spaces to expand in, but in many places it is quickly closing in.... Are
> > there equivalent energy barons in France.....???... Or in
>Europe....???....
> > I know that France has a significant interest in oil in Iraq.... Have they
> > played around in the government there the way that the English and
>Americans
> > have done....???... I understand that France has held back on the U.S.
> > resolve to take out Saddam, but is feeling forced to participate because
>if
> > they don't the U.S. and English will control the oil.... France has never
> > been into Empires the same way that the English and U.S....
> >
> > John Crowe
>
>I won't argue about the semi oligarchy. We could stop it if we had
>maintained our Republic properly.
>We would not have allowed our government to build into the beaurocracy that
>grants political favors for campaign donations and we would not have allowed
>politicians (Demacrats and Republicans alike) to get in bed with the
>companies that bankrolled their elections.
>With the exception of pushing the Indians out, and the War of Northern
>Aggression, America has never been empirical. We have never crossed the
>oceans to create empires. We have, when attacked, smashed other countries,
>but in an unemperical way we rebuilt the conquered countries instead of
>raping them and gave them back sovereignty, and the gift of a Democratic
>Republic form of government.
>
>It is not you personally, John Crowe, that I argue against. I argue against
>the ideology. I wish and hope you consider these ideas of mine with an open
>mind. The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance.--Thomas Jefferson
>
>Joe Ashment
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joseph Ashment" <wyofisher@earthlink.net>
> > To: "John Crowe (AT&T)" <crowejw@att.net>
> > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: RE PSU students in need of peugeot info
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >I would be happy to pay the fuel prices
> > > > that European drivers have to pay if it would mean more sensible cars
> > and
> > > a
> > > > real mass transit system.... If we didn't have a hegemonous government
> > run
> > > > by oil men we would have less war and pollution....
> > > >
> > > > John Crowe
> > >
> > > You would happily bow to the socialists? Give up the car and get on the
> > > overpriced inefficient bus? With the advances in engine technology, we
> > are
> > > actually emmitting less polution than is the 60's despite the fact that
> > > there are far more vehicles on the road. Becareful what you let our
> > > government do.
> > >
> > > Joe
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