Re: Re: RE PSU students in need of peugeot info-warning! semi-political ranting
From: John Crowe \(AT&T\) (crowejw@att.net)
Date: Sat 23 Nov 2002 - 00:44:40 EST
Hugo,
I don't like government controlling or restricting us..... I am very much a
libertarian at heart.... I believe that if the government didn't favor
corporate interests so much we would be far better off.... Unfortunately it
is much more complicated than that.... Powerful interests with all there
money are able to control in more ways than most of us would like to
think....
Without going into a diatribe about it I will point out an inconsistency
which most people are not aware.... The "government" supports air travel
with a lot of tax dollars yet has balked considerably at supporting rail
transit.... I remember the latest serious decline of rail came when Reagan
was in office and made a big deal about how much the government was support
railroads and how we should wean them from the public dole.... At the time
it was something like $.25 per passenger mile.... Unsaid and unknown to most
was the fact the government subsidy of air was about $.40 per passenger
mile.... The decline of rail goes back to the growth spurt in the
military/industrial complex right around WWII.... Before this period rail
was seen as vital to our nations interest and our rail infrastructure was in
very good shape.... Beginning in the '40s air was seen as more important and
the flow of money to build air ports and develop that infrastructure
began.....
John Crowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "hugo_steincamp" <norgo@cybertrails.com>
To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:29 PM
Subject: Fw: Re: RE PSU students in need of peugeot
info-warning! semi-political ranting
> John:
>
> I agree with you on this issue. The environment is serious trouble -
> the biosphere as we know it is now is on the way out - and
> considering the depth of the crisis, we will soon no longer have the
> freedom to be wasteful of critical resources (and thus to be idiotic.
> The more intelligent we are now in what we choose to drive now will
> result in less government restrictions on motoring choice in the
> futre. But the solution to people choosing to drive SUVs that get 15
> mpg is not punitive government regulation: a combination of
> education, government supporting technological shift, and financial
> incentives is required move to a more environmental benign form of
> transportation. The size of government doesn't necessarily restrict
> freedom, but what a government (no matter its size) does and and does
> not do, does curtail freedom. I'm off topic of Peugeot, but the idea
> that the government supporting the shift to more intelligent modes of
> transportation will automatically reduce freedom is simplistic and
> requires a response.
>
> Hugo Steincamp
> '87 505 STX 24 mpg
> '00 Honda Civic - 35-40 mpg
>
>
>
> --- In peugeot-L@y..., "John Crowe \(AT&T\)" <crowejw@a...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes..... The native peoples in this area of the country have a
> saying:
> >
> > "In our every deliberation we must consider the impact of our
> decisions on
> > the next seven generations" - From the Great Law of the Iroquois
> > Confederacy
> >
> > Not sure why they don't go further than that, but the idea is
> clear.... The
> > same way we want our air and water to be....
> >
> > John Crowe
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "fred smith" <peugfan@j...>
> > > To: <peugeot-L@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: RE PSU students in need of peugeot
> > > info-warning! semi-political ranting
> > >
> > >
> > > > Who? Our grandchildren might be a good starting point.
> > > >
> > > > fs
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Who are you or who is our government to say how we can travel
> in our
> > > > >"free"
> > > > >country.
> > > >
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