Re: RE PSU students in need of peugeot info-warning! semi-political ranting
From: hugo_steincamp (norgo@cybertrails.com)
Date: Sat 23 Nov 2002 - 12:12:11 EST
This conversation should take place off list. I have deleted my
message that contributed to this off-topic topic.
Hugo
--- In peugeot-L@y..., "John Crowe \(AT&T\)" <crowejw@a...> wrote:
> Hugo,
>
> I don't like government controlling or restricting us..... I am
very much a
> libertarian at heart.... I believe that if the government didn't
favor
> corporate interests so much we would be far better off....
Unfortunately it
> is much more complicated than that.... Powerful interests with all
there
> money are able to control in more ways than most of us would like to
> think....
>
> Without going into a diatribe about it I will point out an
inconsistency
> which most people are not aware.... The "government" supports air
travel
> with a lot of tax dollars yet has balked considerably at supporting
rail
> transit.... I remember the latest serious decline of rail came when
Reagan
> was in office and made a big deal about how much the government was
support
> railroads and how we should wean them from the public dole.... At
the time
> it was something like $.25 per passenger mile.... Unsaid and
unknown to most
> was the fact the government subsidy of air was about $.40 per
passenger
> mile.... The decline of rail goes back to the growth spurt in the
> military/industrial complex right around WWII.... Before this
period rail
> was seen as vital to our nations interest and our rail
infrastructure was in
> very good shape.... Beginning in the '40s air was seen as more
important and
> the flow of money to build air ports and develop that infrastructure
> began.....
>
> John Crowe
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "hugo_steincamp" <norgo@c...>
> To: <peugeot-L@y...>
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:29 PM
> Subject: Fw: [Peugeot-L] Re: RE PSU students in need of peugeot
> info-warning! semi-political ranting
>
>
> > John:
> >
> > I agree with you on this issue. The environment is serious
trouble -
> > the biosphere as we know it is now is on the way out - and
> > considering the depth of the crisis, we will soon no longer have
the
> > freedom to be wasteful of critical resources (and thus to be
idiotic.
> > The more intelligent we are now in what we choose to drive now
will
> > result in less government restrictions on motoring choice in the
> > futre. But the solution to people choosing to drive SUVs that get
15
> > mpg is not punitive government regulation: a combination of
> > education, government supporting technological shift, and
financial
> > incentives is required move to a more environmental benign form of
> > transportation. The size of government doesn't necessarily
restrict
> > freedom, but what a government (no matter its size) does and and
does
> > not do, does curtail freedom. I'm off topic of Peugeot, but the
idea
> > that the government supporting the shift to more intelligent
modes of
> > transportation will automatically reduce freedom is simplistic and
> > requires a response.
> >
> > Hugo Steincamp
> > '87 505 STX 24 mpg
> > '00 Honda Civic - 35-40 mpg
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In peugeot-L@y..., "John Crowe \(AT&T\)" <crowejw@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes..... The native peoples in this area of the country have a
> > saying:
> > >
> > > "In our every deliberation we must consider the impact of our
> > decisions on
> > > the next seven generations" - From the Great Law of the
Iroquois
> > > Confederacy
> > >
> > > Not sure why they don't go further than that, but the idea is
> > clear.... The
> > > same way we want our air and water to be....
> > >
> > > John Crowe
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "fred smith" <peugfan@j...>
> > > > To: <peugeot-L@y...>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: RE PSU students in need of
peugeot
> > > > info-warning! semi-political ranting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Who? Our grandchildren might be a good starting point.
> > > > >
> > > > > fs
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Who are you or who is our government to say how we can
travel
> > in our
> > > > > >"free"
> > > > > >country.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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