Re: NEWS FLASH: -more Peug vs Jap
From: peugeotvoittaja (jarvinenjp@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon 06 Dec 2004 - 07:01:22 EST
Take my word. Here in Finland, where we put salt the roads at winter
time and our summer is nothing but a constant rain, cars do rust
quickly.
My friend works at the car painting shop as a painter. He says that
since 1987 Peugeots and Citroens have been best cars against rust.
They simply don't rust.
Japanese (especially Toyotas, Hondas and Subarus) are worst followed
closely by german Opel and Ford. Even mighty Mercedes rusts more
than these "crappy french cars". This is why there is lot of those
20.000 Peugeot 405's still on the road and Subaru Legacy and Toyota
Camry is nowadays quite rare sight. (Saab, Volvo, VW and BMW are on
the middle glass).
Pasi from Finland
405 SRI 1988(no rust ever)
309 GT 1987 (rust only on parts that have been repaired after
accident in '90)
305 GL 1978 (used to be rust, thanks to my friend not anymore)
--- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "N9TE" <Fujitsu@t...> wrote:
> Japanese vs Peugeot:
>
> My take. I'm a Toyota guy. I'm constnatly amazed at the
> overengineering of their assemblies. If 3 bolts are good enough,
> they'll use 4. Bolts that never see moisture are top quality zinc
> plated flange bolts. Threaded inserts in body panels. I've yet
to find
> a threaded hold in my 505. There's usually a nut on the other end
of
> the bolt.
>
> When Peugeot sets their mind to something, they're as successful
as when
> Toyota does. Styling, handling, interior, etc. Toyotas excel at
things
> "you don't see" where as Peugeot excels at things you do.
>
> Toyotas suppliers are second to none. Yamaha for cylinder heads,
N-D
> for electrical, Nok for seals, etc. Their transmissions are
> bulletproof. Toyota also did not follow Honda's very thin sheet
metal
> specs. So I've never experienced significant rust.
>
> Peugeot mechanicals are "good enough", but not world class.
>
> If I were to say... Peugeot could learn more from Toyota than
Toyota
> from Peugeot. That being said, the Peugeot's I'm familiar with
are 80%
> cars and the Toyotas are 85%. Both close enough and both closing
in on
> virtual perfection. However I'm 10 years out on Peugeot
technology and
> a couple out on Toyotas. Perhaps the new Peugeots are much better
than
> old ones - which weren't that bad.
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