Re: NEWS FLASH: -more Peug vs Jap
From: hugo_steincamp (hsteincamp@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue 07 Dec 2004 - 20:23:23 EST
Not so fast there partner. Read on....
German cars shock in reliability survey
05/08/2004 07:32
German cars are among the most likely to develop faults or break
down, while Japanese and Korean makes were the most reliable,
according to a survey of British motorists published on Thursday.
Audi, BMW and Volkswagen were all rated poor for reliability in the
study by the Consumers' Association.
"German cars have always been expensive, but our survey reveals a
worrying drop in reliability that makes them look distinctly
overpriced," said Malcolm Coles, editor of the Consumers' Association
magazine Which? whose readers took part in the survey
"Audi, BMW and VW may be the choice of more badge-conscious buyers,
but owners of Japanese cars are far less likely to spend time on the
hard shoulder or face hefty garage bills."
Least reliable car for the second year running was Audi's sporty TT
model. Out of 43 owners with a TT up to 2 years old, 21% reported
that their car had broken down in the past 12 months.
Next least-reliable was the E-Class from Mercedes Benz, with 16% of
the 44 examples in the survey needing attention in the past year.
Among the most reliable cars was Hyundai's Getz, Mazda's 323 and
Toyota's Corolla and Corolla Verso models.
Close behind, with 99% reliability, were the Honda Civic, the CR-V
and Jazz, as well as the Mazda 6, Peugeot 406 and 406 Coupe.
The Consumers' Association gathered information on 34 277 cars up to
eight years old from Which? readers.
Not agreeing
Brands which dropped from average last year to poor this time were:
Audi, BMW, Chrysler, Daewoo and Saab. They joined Citroen, Fiat, Land
Rover, Peugeot, Renault, Rover, Vauxhall and VW already in the bottom
category.
The manufacturers ranked as excellent this year were: Honda, Hyundai,
Lexus, Mazda, Toyota and Suzuki.
Duncan Forrester, media relations manager at BMW UK, said the
findings don't "correlate with our experience."
"Our history, which relates to 100% of BMW cars, doesn't suggest that
reliability and breakdowns are getting worse. On the contrary, we
find it is improving quite considerably," he said.
Sample sizes in the survey varied widely, from as few as 30 for the
Hyundai Getz to 495 for the Ford Focus.
Audi said its reliability figures "have been temporarily low due to
an exceptional and unique ignition coil problem which was rectified
for production of cars during 2003.
"The widely used 1.8 T engine is one of the affected units, and as it
powers all but two TT models and several A4 versions has caused a
specific downturn for these cars," Audi said in a statement.
AND:
Toyota tops fleet reliability survey (03.11.2003)
The most reliable cars in Britain are revealed in a new survey
covering nearly 800,000 vehicles.
Japanese manufacturers have hammered home their reputation for
reliability in the exclusive survey carried out by Fleet News, the
industry leading newspaper for the company car and van industry.
The survey of Britain's biggest contract hire companies reveals that
Toyota, Honda and Lexus compete for the top honours in both the most
reliable manufacturer and the most reliable model in this year's
survey.
Toyota and Honda take the top honours in the manufacturer survey this
year, with Toyota clinching pole positioning as most reliable
manufacturer and Honda only just behind. Lexus, the luxury arm of
Toyota, comes third, while the first German brand to appear, in
fourth, is BMW.
Mercedes-Benz follows closely, on fifth, followed by Nissan in sixth,
Ford in seventh, a good performance for a volume manufacturer, and
Mazda, a Ford-owned company, in eighth. Rounding off the top-10 is
Audi in ninth and Mitsubishi in tenth place.
--- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "N9TE" <Fujitsu@t...> wrote:
> OK. Fine. I give up. I'm not an engineer. Peugeots are better
than
> Toyotas.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pug NZ [mailto:pug-yahoo@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:45 PM
> To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com; N9TE
> Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: NEWS FLASH: -more Peug vs Jap
>
>
> Is it good or bad to have more bolts?
>
> Peugeot use 3 bolts to hold the motor onto the trans in the XN*
engines.
> Once (emphasis on the once, never wanted to touch the thing again)
> worked on a Triumph 2.5TC. They used 13 bolts to hold the motor to
the
> trans. Not only that, but lots of them were nuts and bolts, and they
> were jammed up hard against the firewall.
>
> Speaking as an engineer: if 3 bolts were good enough, but they used
4
> means that they didn't trust their own calculations.....
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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