Re: NEWS FLASH: -more Peug vs Jap
From: hugo_steincamp (hsteincamp@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed 08 Dec 2004 - 20:45:59 EST
>From what I've read the Peugeot 406 is the most reliable Peugeot, and
it usually scores average in most reliability surveys - and indeed
much higher in the one below. On the other hand, the 206 and
especially the dismal 307 usually rank close to bottom in reliability
and owner satisfaction surveys. Hence Peugeot's overall score being
poor in the survey below.
--- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "peugeotvoittaja" <jarvinenjp@h...>
wrote:
>
> I knew that 406 is reliable but I didn't understand it is so
> reliable.
>
> quote "Close behind, with 99% reliability, were the Honda Civic,
> the CR-V and Jazz, as well as the Mazda 6, Peugeot 406 and 406
> Coupe."
>
> It isn't difficult choice what's the next car I'll buy :)
>
> Pasi from Finland
> 405 SRI 1988
>
>
> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "hugo_steincamp"
<hsteincamp@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not so fast there partner. Read on....
> >
> > German cars shock in reliability survey
> >
> > 05/08/2004 07:32
> > German cars are among the most likely to develop faults or break
> > down, while Japanese and Korean makes were the most reliable,
> > according to a survey of British motorists published on Thursday.
> >
> > Audi, BMW and Volkswagen were all rated poor for reliability in
> the
> > study by the Consumers' Association.
> >
> > "German cars have always been expensive, but our survey reveals a
> > worrying drop in reliability that makes them look distinctly
> > overpriced," said Malcolm Coles, editor of the Consumers'
> Association
> > magazine Which? whose readers took part in the survey
> >
> > "Audi, BMW and VW may be the choice of more badge-conscious
> buyers,
> > but owners of Japanese cars are far less likely to spend time on
> the
> > hard shoulder or face hefty garage bills."
> >
> > Least reliable car for the second year running was Audi's sporty
> TT
> > model. Out of 43 owners with a TT up to 2 years old, 21% reported
> > that their car had broken down in the past 12 months.
> >
> > Next least-reliable was the E-Class from Mercedes Benz, with 16%
> of
> > the 44 examples in the survey needing attention in the past year.
> >
> > Among the most reliable cars was Hyundai's Getz, Mazda's 323 and
> > Toyota's Corolla and Corolla Verso models.
> >
> > Close behind, with 99% reliability, were the Honda Civic, the CR-
V
> > and Jazz, as well as the Mazda 6, Peugeot 406 and 406 Coupe.
> >
> > The Consumers' Association gathered information on 34 277 cars up
> to
> > eight years old from Which? readers.
> >
> > Not agreeing
> >
> > Brands which dropped from average last year to poor this time
> were:
> > Audi, BMW, Chrysler, Daewoo and Saab. They joined Citroen, Fiat,
> Land
> > Rover, Peugeot, Renault, Rover, Vauxhall and VW already in the
> bottom
> > category.
> >
> > The manufacturers ranked as excellent this year were: Honda,
> Hyundai,
> > Lexus, Mazda, Toyota and Suzuki.
> >
> > Duncan Forrester, media relations manager at BMW UK, said the
> > findings don't "correlate with our experience."
> >
> > "Our history, which relates to 100% of BMW cars, doesn't suggest
> that
> > reliability and breakdowns are getting worse. On the contrary, we
> > find it is improving quite considerably," he said.
> >
> > Sample sizes in the survey varied widely, from as few as 30 for
> the
> > Hyundai Getz to 495 for the Ford Focus.
> >
> > Audi said its reliability figures "have been temporarily low due
> to
> > an exceptional and unique ignition coil problem which was
> rectified
> > for production of cars during 2003.
> >
> > "The widely used 1.8 T engine is one of the affected units, and
as
> it
> > powers all but two TT models and several A4 versions has caused a
> > specific downturn for these cars," Audi said in a statement.
> >
> > AND:
> >
> >
> > Toyota tops fleet reliability survey (03.11.2003)
> >
> > The most reliable cars in Britain are revealed in a new survey
> > covering nearly 800,000 vehicles.
> >
> > Japanese manufacturers have hammered home their reputation for
> > reliability in the exclusive survey carried out by Fleet News,
the
> > industry leading newspaper for the company car and van industry.
> >
> > The survey of Britain's biggest contract hire companies reveals
> that
> > Toyota, Honda and Lexus compete for the top honours in both the
> most
> > reliable manufacturer and the most reliable model in this year's
> > survey.
> >
> > Toyota and Honda take the top honours in the manufacturer survey
> this
> > year, with Toyota clinching pole positioning as most reliable
> > manufacturer and Honda only just behind. Lexus, the luxury arm of
> > Toyota, comes third, while the first German brand to appear, in
> > fourth, is BMW.
> >
> > Mercedes-Benz follows closely, on fifth, followed by Nissan in
> sixth,
> > Ford in seventh, a good performance for a volume manufacturer,
and
> > Mazda, a Ford-owned company, in eighth. Rounding off the top-10
is
> > Audi in ninth and Mitsubishi in tenth place.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "N9TE" <Fujitsu@t...> wrote:
> > > OK. Fine. I give up. I'm not an engineer. Peugeots are
> better
> > than
> > > Toyotas.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Pug NZ [mailto:pug-yahoo@a...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:45 PM
> > > To: peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com; N9TE
> > > Subject: Re: [Peugeot-L] Re: NEWS FLASH: -more Peug vs Jap
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it good or bad to have more bolts?
> > >
> > > Peugeot use 3 bolts to hold the motor onto the trans in the XN*
> > engines.
> > > Once (emphasis on the once, never wanted to touch the thing
> again)
> > > worked on a Triumph 2.5TC. They used 13 bolts to hold the motor
> to
> > the
> > > trans. Not only that, but lots of them were nuts and bolts, and
> they
> > > were jammed up hard against the firewall.
> > >
> > > Speaking as an engineer: if 3 bolts were good enough, but they
> used
> > 4
> > > means that they didn't trust their own calculations.....
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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