Re: Peugeot Back to US by the end of 2007
From: peugeotvoittaja (jarvinenjp@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed 15 Dec 2004 - 03:33:02 EST
They haven't quit with Bosch yet. There (at least) has been lot of
Bosch parts in the modern Peugeots for example the infamous diesel-
pump. That broke down on all the early facelifted 406 HDI's. That
supplier has already changed and the new supplier is Siemens.
Siemens really works.
ZF automatic transmissions they already ditched and they went for
japanese Aisin.
Front wheel drive is the future. It is safer.
They have not abandoned Pininfarina. Current 407 design was chosen
among several candidates (including Pininfarina) they decided to go
for the most 'radical' design this time.
I think Pininfarina is used again when 407 gets facelift, just to
give different look not because there is something wrong with the
contemporary model.
Pasi from Finland
405 SRI 1988
309 GT 1987
305 GL 1978
--- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Ashment" <wyofisher@e...>
wrote:
> simple, if the suppliers can't provide good electronics, use Bosch
again,
> or just make it in house. Why did Peugeot go to substandard parts
> suppliers? To save money? Sounds like a Chevrolet idea to me. I
put that
> down with their decision to use front wheel drive, and leave
Pinninfarina
> design...oops!
>
> Joe
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: hugo_steincamp <hsteincamp@h...>
> > To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 12/14/2004 5:24:34 PM
> > Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Peugeot Back to US by the end of 2007
> >
> >
> >
> > This edict from PSA to its suppliers doesn't surprise me. Folz
and
> > the chap who heads the Peugeot division have often made public
> > statements about the inferior product coming from suppliers. I
> > remember Folz saying that it was hard to convince suppliers of
> > electronics that the parts had to more durable than those in a
cell
> > phone. The 307 is particularly problematic; the supplier of the
turn
> > signal lever seems to be incapable of coming up with a design
that
> > works; the electronic control unit has numerous software bugs
and
> > reboots itself (which results in the headlights turning
themselves
> > off if they are on - not good at night - and the electronics
shutting
> > down)
> >
> > My own experience with the parts for my 505 left me less than
> > impressed. If memory serves, two of the three new Valeo
alternators
> > I installed in my car were faulty.
> >
> > The quality of the 406 and 607 seem to be quite good by Peugeot
> > standards, although I've read some horror stories about both.
There
> > seems to be too many instances of (a) Peugeot replacing new cars
> > because neither the dealer nor the company can not figure out
what is
> > wrong with the cars being replaced, and (b) major engine
failures at
> > low mileages. See Peugeot at www.carsurvey.org
> >
> > Peugeot won't be back in the US by 2007.
> >
> > Hugo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "peugeotvoittaja"
<jarvinenjp@h...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This is preparation for that:
> > >
> > > "PSA tells suppliers to make better parts
> > > Automaker gives its vendors 3 years to fix parts quality
> > > PSA/Peugeot-Citroen is embarking on a three-year plan to
improve
> > the
> > > quality of components it gets from its suppliers. "We are not
> > > satisfied with the quality of our suppliers," said Jean-
Philippe
> > > Collin, the group's new purchasing chief. -12/13/2004"
> > >
> > > It seems that quality (already good on some models like 406
and 607)
> > > will get better before US is conquered.
> > >
> > > Hopefully there is no political tensions between USA and
France
> > then
> > > or comeback will be delayed.
> > >
> > > Pasi from Finland
> > > 405 SRI
> > > 309 GT
> > > 305 GL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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