Re: Re: Peugeot Back to US by the end of 2007
From: Thomas John (thomas@ikonengold.de)
Date: Wed 15 Dec 2004 - 03:42:44 EST
....I totally disagree about the statement "front wheel drive is the
future".
It has been proven the superior concept for smaller cars e.g. up to the
306/307 series.
With bigger cars, especially the 6xx series, I think it was a big mistake
for Peugeot to give up the rear wheel drive. Big RWD cars have substantial
advantages regarding the traction, as the weight load is moving towards
the driven wheels when accelerating, also there are no power influences in
the steering, last point is that there is more space for an easy mounting
of the engine, transmission, thus RWD cars are normally more rugged and
easier to repair in case of technical problems. A lot of modern big sedans
on the market are either RWD, or if they are based on FWD, are available
with AWD to overcome the problems of FWD.
As for me, I must admit that RWD was one of the must-haves when I chose
the 604, although of course I would be happy with FWD in much smaller cars
such as a 204 or 304. On the other hand, I do have seen a 204's cramped
FWD engine compartment and it fills one with fear. :-)
regards
Thomas
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:33:02 -0000, peugeotvoittaja
<jarvinenjp@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> They haven't quit with Bosch yet. There (at least) has been lot of
> Bosch parts in the modern Peugeots for example the infamous diesel-
> pump. That broke down on all the early facelifted 406 HDI's. That
> supplier has already changed and the new supplier is Siemens.
> Siemens really works.
>
> ZF automatic transmissions they already ditched and they went for
> japanese Aisin.
>
> Front wheel drive is the future. It is safer.
>
> They have not abandoned Pininfarina. Current 407 design was chosen
> among several candidates (including Pininfarina) they decided to go
> for the most 'radical' design this time.
> I think Pininfarina is used again when 407 gets facelift, just to
> give different look not because there is something wrong with the
> contemporary model.
>
> Pasi from Finland
> 405 SRI 1988
> 309 GT 1987
> 305 GL 1978
>
> --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Ashment" <wyofisher@e...>
> wrote:
>> simple, if the suppliers can't provide good electronics, use Bosch
> again,
>> or just make it in house. Why did Peugeot go to substandard parts
>> suppliers? To save money? Sounds like a Chevrolet idea to me. I
> put that
>> down with their decision to use front wheel drive, and leave
> Pinninfarina
>> design...oops!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: hugo_steincamp <hsteincamp@h...>
>> > To: <peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Date: 12/14/2004 5:24:34 PM
>> > Subject: [Peugeot-L] Re: Peugeot Back to US by the end of 2007
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This edict from PSA to its suppliers doesn't surprise me. Folz
> and
>> > the chap who heads the Peugeot division have often made public
>> > statements about the inferior product coming from suppliers. I
>> > remember Folz saying that it was hard to convince suppliers of
>> > electronics that the parts had to more durable than those in a
> cell
>> > phone. The 307 is particularly problematic; the supplier of the
> turn
>> > signal lever seems to be incapable of coming up with a design
> that
>> > works; the electronic control unit has numerous software bugs
> and
>> > reboots itself (which results in the headlights turning
> themselves
>> > off if they are on - not good at night - and the electronics
> shutting
>> > down)
>> >
>> > My own experience with the parts for my 505 left me less than
>> > impressed. If memory serves, two of the three new Valeo
> alternators
>> > I installed in my car were faulty.
>> >
>> > The quality of the 406 and 607 seem to be quite good by Peugeot
>> > standards, although I've read some horror stories about both.
> There
>> > seems to be too many instances of (a) Peugeot replacing new cars
>> > because neither the dealer nor the company can not figure out
> what is
>> > wrong with the cars being replaced, and (b) major engine
> failures at
>> > low mileages. See Peugeot at www.carsurvey.org
>> >
>> > Peugeot won't be back in the US by 2007.
>> >
>> > Hugo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In peugeot-L@yahoogroups.com, "peugeotvoittaja"
> <jarvinenjp@h...>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > This is preparation for that:
>> > >
>> > > "PSA tells suppliers to make better parts
>> > > Automaker gives its vendors 3 years to fix parts quality
>> > > PSA/Peugeot-Citroen is embarking on a three-year plan to
> improve
>> > the
>> > > quality of components it gets from its suppliers. "We are not
>> > > satisfied with the quality of our suppliers," said Jean-
> Philippe
>> > > Collin, the group's new purchasing chief. -12/13/2004"
>> > >
>> > > It seems that quality (already good on some models like 406
> and 607)
>> > > will get better before US is conquered.
>> > >
>> > > Hopefully there is no political tensions between USA and
> France
>> > then
>> > > or comeback will be delayed.
>> > >
>> > > Pasi from Finland
>> > > 405 SRI
>> > > 309 GT
>> > > 305 GL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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